Both show interference in mass communication -- contrary to norm
Subcultural process
Initially, the subculture exists without media representation
"Below the radar," to use a media cliche
Exhibits characteristics of homology
Homology: Introduced by Claude Levi Strauss
& later by Hebdige
"The symbolic fit between the values and lifestyles of a group, its subjective experience and the musical forms it uses to express or reinforce its focal concerns.”
Despite wider perception of lack of order, membership provides order & unity
Unity and order established through means of membership: Music, dress, expressed values (others, see above)